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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 26th Mai 2012, 06:35 | |
| Saluti dal ducato di Milano. Avremmo bisogno di ornamenti araldici per i nostri ufficiali cittadini e per i ministri. Forse saprai che i bastoni nella nostra araldica sono poco diffusi, solo per i re d'arme. Quindi preferiamo se possibile degli scettri, piccoli in oro, in argento e in bronzo e delle bandiere da mettere dietro gli scudi. Gli ufficiali sono il Balivo, il Capitano del Popolo e i due Consoli o Podesta. I ministri sono il Tesoriere, il Cancelliere, l'Inquisitore e l'intendente. Regards from the dukedom of Milan. We need several new heraldic ornaments for our city officers and for the ministers. You will perhaps know that the batons in our heraldry are a little diffused, only for the kings of arms and the marshall of arms. Then we prefer if possible of the scepters (Or crossed insignias) small in gold, in silver and in bronze and two void (in white - red- blue) flags to put behind the shields. The officers are the Bailiff, the Captain of the People and the two Consuls or Podesta. The ministers are the Treasurer, the Chancellor, the investigator and the superintendent. Perhaps a single golden medallion with the face of a Lady in a collar for the Duke.... In the ancient times Milan would not have a ducal own order, you know. Alcune richieste che vengono dal Ducato: Un medaglione ovale simile a questo con al centro una testa di donna o vuoto per la confraternita dello specchio d'onore. Some applications that come from the Dukedom: An oval medallion similar to this with to the center a head of woman or empty for the brotherhood of the mirror of honor. This one for the Brotherood of Milanese Lions - Confraternita dei Leoni milanesi. Idea for the Women Brotherood of Milan Brotherood of the Knights of Virtue Idea for the Knigths of Milan [/img] Ideas for the Knights of Pavia All the medallions suspended from a golden plain collier.....or a ribbon white and red, colours of the dukedom. The Cross of the Ducal Sigil, with a violet Ribbon This is really important, because all of your humble applicants like it a lot. La Stella Azzurra (the Blue Star) per i cavalieri Medal for Courage. So, we attend your ideas. Greetings. [img] | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 30th Mai 2012, 15:11 | |
| As asked by Andrews, I put in order the things to systematize: First of all the charges and the heraldic insignias: We thought about scepters in gold and in silver crossed behind the shield for the two Consuls and the Podesta. For the Captain of the People and the Bailiff instead two flags crossed by to put behind the shield. For the first one a white with the red cross and one with the imperial eagle. For the second both white with the snake of the Visconti. The Condottiero (Marshal) needs two crossed batons. We can aid with photos if you want. Example: The three on the left for consuls, podesta and bailiff. The other one for the condottiero. For the Captain of People two red batons with white crosses... | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 30th Mai 2012, 18:30 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 30th Mai 2012, 19:22 | |
| Very good. We wait for the batons....for the big guns. Can you try first the silver and black one, with crowns and lions? | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 30th Mai 2012, 19:53 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 30th Mai 2012, 23:37 | |
| impressive. The batons for other two military charges? | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 01:30 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 04:44 | |
| for the captains of the people you could create the batons in dark yellow with the sketch of the leaves of laurel and the eagles in green? | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 04:45 | |
| for the captains of the people you could create the batons in dark yellow with the sketch of the leaves of laurel and the eagles in green? | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 05:15 | |
| For the Guild of the Riders of milano we need a coat of arms similar to this but without the writing Handlova, the aureole around the crown And with the empty shield, to make the dame a heraldic supporter. For the army of the dukedom we need three gonfanons. An example For the cities' of the Dukedom we need an insignia of this type with the empty shield. Could you create a double insignia for the captains and for the marshals as the french one? With the batons instead of the swords?
Dernière édition par gianmaria le 31st Mai 2012, 10:33, édité 4 fois | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 05:47 | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 13:18 | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 14:35 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 15:33 | |
| Ministers and Officiers: Regarding the Inquisitor and the Commissioners - Governors of Milan, Lodi, Monza, Pavia and Tortona we have recovered the ancient custom to honor them with a gorget under their coat of arms, suspendend with a chain for the Inqisitor and with a simple black lace for the commissioners. One of the model used in the past.... Can you create something more complete? | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 16:45 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 16:50 | |
| Can change the plaque collier like? | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 16:56 | |
| I don't understand. What do you want exactly ? | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 17:40 | |
| Excuse me. I'll make you an example. | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 19:46 | |
| For the coat of arms of the duchy: Could you isolate the ducal crown in the ancient coat of arms and suit it to a french void shield? Could you separate and to isolate the lions from the rest of the coat of arms, so that to adapt them to an empty coat of arms? To put the two captain batons attached to the captain of the people and marshal to the place of the French insignias? The harder matter, perhaps. To separate the mantle from the rest of the coat of arms of the kingdom. We have tried twice without success.... The napoleonic Kingdom of Italy use the green pointed mantle of the ancient kings of Lombardy.... | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 20:59 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 21:53 | |
| Obviously. Take your time. | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 31st Mai 2012, 23:09 | |
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gianmaria Visiteur
Nombre de messages : 19 Ville/Town : Milano Date d'inscription : 26/05/2012
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 1st Juin 2012, 00:27 | |
| So far, amazing work, very appreciated by our group.
Ministers, their charges and their insignias:
-------------------------------------------------------- Cancelliere: head of the political administration. two crossed sceptres in gold
Scalco: Head of the ducal house two cross halberds.
Assessore: Organizative general adviser. a crown of laurel gilded.
Intendente: chief of the administration. two crossed wooden batons
Inquisitore: The Judges' head. a silvered balance
Tesoriere: Head of the financial administration. a gilded balance
We have full trust in your genius.
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 1st Juin 2012, 00:55 | |
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Andrews Famille de Castellbo
Nombre de messages : 174 Ville/Town : Kraljestvo Celje Fonction : King of Arms Date d'inscription : 15/08/2011
| Sujet: Re: Proposte dal ducato di Milano 1st Juin 2012, 02:03 | |
| Cancelliere: head of the political administration. two crossed sceptres in gold Scalco: Head of the ducal house two cross halberds. Assessore: Organizative general adviser. a crown of laurel gilded. Intendente: chief of the administration. two crossed wooden batons or Inquisitore: The Judges' head. a silvered balance Tesoriere: Head of the financial administration. a gilded balance | |
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